Registering a paperless scooter in BC

simone
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Registering a paperless scooter in BC Nov 9, 2005 11:30:23 GMT -5

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Post by simone on Nov 9, 2005 11:30:23 GMT -5

What do you do when you find a scooter that is so old there are no registration papers? This question comes up every now and then and I finaly found the exact instuructions on the ICBC website. It is really easy and painless.

Basically the easiest thing is to make sure you get a written Bill of Sale with as much info on it as possible.

Heres the info:

If you are unable to contact the seller or last known registered owner, you must request a vehicle records search. To request one, you must write a letter to:

Driver Testing and Vehicle Information
ICBC
154 - 151 West Esplanade
North Vancouver, BC V7M 3H9

State in the letter that you are requesting a search for the last registered owner. The letter must also include:

proof of purchase, which can be a completed bill of sale, a Transfer/Tax Form, or a Notarized Statutory Declaration.
a $7 cheque, payable to “ICBC.”
your signature
For more information, please call:

604-661-2233
toll free 1-800-464-5050

If you bought a non-B.C. Registered Vehicle

Ask the seller to provide you with the vehicle registration from the vehicle’s home jurisdiction. If the seller has lost or misplaced the document, the seller must replace it from the vehicle’s home jurisdiction.

If you are unable to contact the seller or last known registered owner, bring your original bill of sale and vehicle to your Autoplan broker’s office. The broker will investigate further.

bugerdup Frequent User Posts: 230	Registering a paperless scooter in BC Nov 14, 2005 22:35:52 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by bugerdup on Nov 14, 2005 22:35:52 GMT -5 What is the process of bringing them over the boarder from the states, or over seas.
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smd Guest	Registering a paperless scooter in BC Nov 15, 2005 14:51:20 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by smd on Nov 15, 2005 14:51:20 GMT -5 Bill of Sale Original Title Canada Customs - Form 1 Tax Form (GST - if applicable)

roadcapden
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Registering a paperless scooter in BC Dec 2, 2005 14:59:33 GMT -5

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Post by roadcapden on Dec 2, 2005 14:59:33 GMT -5

It helps if you make out an affidavit and get it notarized.
eg. - "In the matter of the ownership of the 1958 Piaggio Allstate Vespa 150 scooter VIN ....."
I blah blah ...
Solemly declare, that (put all info here)

roadcapDen
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bluebeetle
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Registering a paperless scooter in BC Apr 5, 2006 16:38:57 GMT -5

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Post by bluebeetle on Apr 5, 2006 16:38:57 GMT -5

Hello all,

I'm new to the forum, and right in the middle of the process of insuring my non-registered, no papers, bought at a garage sale Lambretta. Here is the process thus far:

1. Get a bill of sale or Transfer/Tax form from the person you bought it from (even if they don't have the registration)

2. Write a letter to the 'Last Resort' office of ICBC with a notorized letter stating that you have some financial stake in this process, The VIN number (including ALL the numbers...mine was registered under the number LI1503*702230*IGM03090, and they all had to match...silly i know), and any other information you can find about the history of the bike (where you bought it, how much for...etc.). Include the tax form, the letter, and a cheque for $7 made out to ICBC. Some call the notorized letter a 'statutory declaration'...legaleze for 'notorized letter'. Basically you are declaring that all this is true.

The Last Resort office address is:
Last Resort Records
151 W. Esplanade
North Vancouver, BC
V7M 3H9

3. Wait with fingers crossed.

4. I got a call from an agent saying he had found a match. Which he sent. Turns out the fellow who last registed it lived in Nelson, BC, in 1973. Send a NEW transfer tax form, as well as a short letter of explanation asking for a copy of the registration and to fill out the seller portion of the form, to that address via registered mail. Keep the registered mail reciept.

5. Wait with fingers crossed again.

6. One of three things will occur:
A) The letter will be returned to you unopened (keep it unopened). In which case you take your unopened registed letter down to the autoplan agent and they can assign an new registration number.
B) The Last registered owner will return the necessary documents (which is unlikely, considering how long some of these things sit around)...in which case you take the documents down to the autoplan agent and they will transfer the registration to you.
C) You hear nothing back. After 30 days you take your letter from ICBC with the last known registrant, your registered mail reciept, and a big grin down to the autoplan agent and they can assign a new registration number.

Right now I am waiting to hear back from the registered mail, so I will keep you posted.

Cheers.

Last Edit: Apr 5, 2006 16:43:47 GMT -5 by bluebeetle

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nick Frequent User Posts: 65	Registering a paperless scooter in BC Apr 5, 2006 17:02:34 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by nick on Apr 5, 2006 17:02:34 GMT -5 What happens if the previous owner writes you back and says he wants his scooter back? Serious question. I have wondered this.
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bluebeetle
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Registering a paperless scooter in BC Apr 7, 2006 14:42:01 GMT -5

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Post by bluebeetle on Apr 7, 2006 14:42:01 GMT -5

I got my registered mail back! I have to go to the post office after 5 to pick it up...but the note they left on my door said that they coundn't get a signature. This means I can go and register my Lammy to my name, and it can see the road for the first time in 33 years...as soon as the engine rebuild is done at SMD. woot woot.

'66 lambretta Li150 SerIII

nick
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Registering a paperless scooter in BC Apr 7, 2006 14:55:44 GMT -5

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Post by nick on Apr 7, 2006 14:55:44 GMT -5

bluebeetle said:

I got my registered mail back! I have to go to the post office after 5 to pick it up...but the note they left on my door said that they coundn't get a signature. This means I can go and register my Lammy to my name, and it can see the road for the first time in 33 years...as soon as the engine rebuild is done at SMD. woot woot.

Thats freaking awesome!
Can't wait to see you zipping around.
I am so jealous. Lucky lucky man.

1990 Honda Elite 50 - Custom
Looking (and saving) for a vespa

DD
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Registering a paperless scooter in BC Oct 18, 2006 13:31:56 GMT -5

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Post by DD on Oct 18, 2006 13:31:56 GMT -5

Just a few words on what follows. Below is the basic Statutory Declaration that you take to your ICBC Agent when titling a paperless scooter. I have included a bare bones bill of sale. I have not included any warrantees, etc. in the Bill of Sale so you are on your own on that one. BUYER BEWARE. None of this protects you from somebody selling you a scooter they do not own. Try getting your money back after it has been coverted to Meth. Good luck.

There are blank spots to fill in. I have numbered the information to be provided @@1 - @@12. At the bottom of the page is a list of what those numbers correspond to. You can use the Bill of Sale template to do a hand written Bill of Sale. Just take the template with you, or draft a Bill of Sale with blanks. Also, be sure to get address and telephone contact information from the Seller.

And of course, the statutory declaration has to have a copy of the Bill of Sale attached to it and the Statutory Declartion has to be Notarized.

enjoy,
DD

*************************************************

CANADA )

IN THE MATTER OF

PROVINCE OF BRITISH COLUMBIA )

TITLE TO THE VEHICLE

YEAR: @@1

MAKE: @@2

MODEL: @@3
VIN: @@4

STATUTORY DECLARATION

I, @@5, of @@6 DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT:

1.On @@7 I purchased the Vehicle described below from @@8.

2.A true copy of the Bill of Sale is attached hereto as Exhibit “A” to this my Declaration.

3.The Vehicle is described as:
YEAR: @@1
MAKE: @@2
MODEL: @@3
VIN: @@4
Engine Size: @@9

4.I have been advised by @@, and I believe him, that he owned the vehicle for 5 years prior to selling it to me and that he could not find the registration documents for the Vehicle.

5.No significant modifications have been made to the Vehicle.

6.The Vehicle is in it's original condition.

7. The Vehicle has it's original engine.

8. @@8's telephone number is @@10. His address is @@11.

9.I MAKE THIS STATUTORY DECLARATION, conscientiously believing it to be true and knowing that it is of the same force and effect as if made under oath, and by the virtue of the EVIDENCE ACT (British Columbia).

DECLARED BEFORE ME at the City of Vancouver,
in the Province of British Columbia,
this [Date]

______________________________
@@5
_____________________
Notary Public

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Bill of Sale

For consideration of $@@12, receipt of which is acknowledged, I hereby transfer ownership of one motor vehicle described as:

Year: @@1
Make: @@2
Model: @@3
VIN: @@4
Engine Size: @@9

to @@5 of @@6.

@@7
___________________
@@8
@@11
Tel.: @@10

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@@1 = Year of Production
@@2 = Make (i.e., Lambretta, Vespa)
@@3 = Model (i.e., 150li, P200E)
@@4 = VIN (i.e., use the frame number VSX2763567)
@@5 = Purchaser's Name
@@6 = Purchaser's Full Address (with Postal Code)
@@7 = Date of Purchase
@@8 = Vendor's full name (Seller)
@@9 = Engine Displacement (i.e., 150 cc)
@@10 = Vendor's telephone number (include area code)
@@11 = Vendor's Address (include postal code)
@@12 = Purchase Price (Actual price paid)

Last Edit: Oct 18, 2006 13:50:56 GMT -5 by DD

Registering a paperless scooter in BC

Post by simone on Nov 9, 2005 11:30:23 GMT -5

Post by bugerdup on Nov 14, 2005 22:35:52 GMT -5

Post by smd on Nov 15, 2005 14:51:20 GMT -5

Post by roadcapden on Dec 2, 2005 14:59:33 GMT -5

Post by bluebeetle on Apr 5, 2006 16:38:57 GMT -5

Post by nick on Apr 5, 2006 17:02:34 GMT -5

Post by bluebeetle on Apr 7, 2006 14:42:01 GMT -5

Post by nick on Apr 7, 2006 14:55:44 GMT -5

Post by DD on Oct 18, 2006 13:31:56 GMT -5